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THE MYTH OF SUBURBAN SURVIVAL

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Thursday, August 14, 2008
THE MYTH OF SUBURBAN SURVIVAL

I haven't a thing to write about this morning so I will belabour all suburban preppers. I haven't hung them out to dry for quite a while and it does not hurt to keep them touched up.

I was reading some suburban preppers blog this morning and he bragged about how 50% of the bloggers out there in cyberspace were from the burbs. And he said they out numbered the "outlanders" and were a force to be reckoned with. My question is where do we go to reckon with this force? And who wants to reckon with it? What is the purpose of reckoning with it?

One of the problems with folks living in the burbs is their numbers. They always think in terms of numbers, a.k.a. as body count. And that is a serious mistake. Voting sucks. Voting gives the people in the burbs the idea that their personal agendas matter. And their personal agendas matter very little. Their personal agendas are formulated with their faith in politicians, bankers, foreign royalty, movie stars, and our beloved friends the corporate media. They want very nice homes and big cars and large retirement checks and all the other stuff that will soon fall by the wayside. They want to save the whales, stop global warming, have full medical coverage, and bestow favors on their grand children. All the while enjoying the greatness of all that technology has to offer. Sounds like someone somewhat out of touch to me. The Suburban Prepper at http://suburbanprepper.wordpress.com/ is supply the denizens of cyberspace with this propaganda. Sorta like the Phoenix rising from the ashes. Sorta like something George Lucas would make into a movie.

And this Suburban Prepper fella is no dummy. He can wrap words around his thoughts pretty well and I believe he just passed the California Bar Exam. Pretty smart dude. But he places an inordinate amount of faith in the suburban dwellers. This makes no sense to me as the suburban dwellers are the prime source of our misery right now. All those hundreds of thousands of toxic mortgages are out in the burbs. All those people who are defaulting on the idiocy of the American dream. And as they default, the homes become the targets of the underground demolition crews who strip them of any valuable copper and electrical gear. The homeless move into them until the law enforcement shows up and runs them off. Drug gangs move in and use the homes for shooting galleries. Then some nut will do something that will cause a fire and the place will burn down. One more suburban icon bites the dust. Oh well! I ain't living there!

The next item up for examination and scrutiny is the concept of CERT. Hurrah for CERT! Get your CERT stuff from the FEMA branch of the fedgov! Doesn't anyone get the message behind the fedgov? They don't like us. They merely want to perpetuate their tax base. Remember a little incident called Katrina down in New Orleans? It's two years ago and the damage is still not fixed. What good will CERT do for the populace? All their stuff is gonna say call the "authorities" if anything goes wrong! Who the hell are the authorities? Are they the same people who would not go into Watts when Rodney King got beat up by the pigs? Are they the reason the National Guard got called out to quell the disturbance? Are they the people who taser ANYONE for ANY reason? Are they basically cowards? The Police Chief of our closest town said they were 30 years ago. They joined for reasons of pay and personal security. They do not love you! Protect and serve my ass! I will stay in my homeland and protect and serve myself and my friends and I will not be calling the cops! And woe be onto anyone who comes to do harm. Out here in the country we get down to brass tacks pretty quick. If we see you and you are not supposed to be here we will tell you to get out. If you don't go then you will have to be carried out. Ain't waiting for any cops to arrive or any CERT program to kick in. And we are not interested in buying
your food and what not after the SHTF. We can grow our own, thank you. And we have water and animals and fuel in the woods and all kinds of neat stuff. We have all trained as hunters and fishermen and trappers. Some of us are foragers and herbalists. We will organize watch details in a heartbeat and they will be armed. What the hell is CERT? A bunch of mental pygmies playing bridge and talking about Obama's change? The only thing I have seen that made any sense form the fedgov was the billboard out about 3 years ago that said "We can be scared or we can be ready" Far out! I made the decision to be ready, thank you very much. I don't trust people in the burbs to realize the dangers of this world until it is too late. They believe that the rule of law will prevail, and that is nuts. CERT is a lame duck and won't mean a thing after a day or two of SHTF. Here is a paragraph that bears some scrutiny.

The other awesome stat was that the majority of those surveyed plan to shelter in place which I am a strong advocate of. Attempting to flee even moderately populated areas is a mistake. Almost every populated area has only one or two major arteries of ingress and egress and those will be absolutely jammed, I am talking parking lot! Unless you have a sure-fire way (read helicopter) to get to your retreat, your best bet is to shelter in place, lock the house down and ride out the disaster. The silver lining to the �Golden Horde� theory is that there will be masses of unprepared folks flooding OUT of the burbs. Leaving us with more resources to scrounge and less people to worry about. You can grow crops in your neighbors back yard when he makes a run for it or set up a rain catchment system on your neighbors roof for additional water capacity.

Sounds like the suburban guy is wanting to create the country in the city! Well, all those Golden Horde folks will stop by and take your stuff before they move on out. After they have raped your wife and you daughters and maybe even you son and then killed them all, including you. Won't you be an heroic figure then! "But you can't do this! We are part of the CERT program!" And if the road out of town is crowded that just means that a lot of people have gotten their shit together, albeit a little late in the game.

And how are you going to flush your toilets? How will you get rid of the trash and garbage? How will you get heat into your home in the Winter or cool air in the Summer? How will you cook? How will you maintain sanitation with no running water. How will you get more food? Do you really think you will get by planting your neighbors lawn in vegetables? While you are attending to your new garden why don't you put up a big sign that tells the world you have food on hand? Hah hah! Your garden will draw the very people you don't want!

I believe in group survival very strongly. And somewhere in the deep recesses of the mind of whoever does the thinking for CERT there was an inkling of the worth of group survival. But whatever that thought was it got corrupted. It got run through the Mill of the fedgov and came out as peanut butter instead of real survivalism. But I have come to expect that from the fedgov. They are such a losing proposition. Forget them and try to stay alive!

Michael

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Originally Posted by Caligula (Post 1239974)

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http://suburbanprepper.wordpress.com/

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C.E.R.T. stands for Community Emergency Response Team. It is a program that provides the community with the knowledge, skills and equipment to help others in the time of a disaster

any independantly minded CERT group that has not been authorized/approved by the nanny state

may be labled a neighbourhood militia and dealt with as enemies of the state

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I think the secret to all this when it comes to preps is mums the word. Keep it to yourself, plan to hunker or plan to move out quickly at the first sign of the threat escalating. the reality is, if you are in a city and you hope to get out WSHTF you have better be moving very fast to get out before they bring down then barriers or very stealthy. Your preps need to be made accordingly. Stealth probably means your main preps should be somewhere other than with you. They should be outside the likely containment area and you should move to them.

I would prep at home and some away if I could with the view to abandoning one location for another. Having a vehicle with capacity to haul preps out might be worthwhile, if you get out with it intact good. If you have to abandon it, do so and continue on to your safe location.

as for a pissing contest between which is survivalist is better, I don't have time for it. Neither should anyone else. Make preps, make them to suit your needs and expect that you will make mistakes. Try to minimise them or make as many as possible while it doesn't matter so much...contingency is what it is all about and improvisation..

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And as they default, the homes become the targets of the underground demolition crews who strip them of any valuable copper and electrical gear. The homeless move into them until the law enforcement shows up and runs them off. Drug gangs move in and use the homes for shooting galleries. Then some nut will do something that will cause a fire and the place will burn down. One more suburban icon bites the dust.

Exactly right. Just look at detroit for an example. Once a major industrial center now a cess pool for crime and disease.

As we see the standard of living for the average american decline most suburban areas will have a similar fate.

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Urban survival in St Louis

Pretty sad, isn't it?

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friendly advice from I guess an "outlander" to a Suburban is to make sure you have been out to the outland before you go there in a rush, if you have property there go and make the neighbors your friends before you come running in when it is bad.
friendly neighbors are always handy to have around.

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For anything short of an unlikely "Mad Max" scenario, Suburban or even Urban prepping seems practical and wise.

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Originally Posted by Quadroon (Post 1241292)

For anything short of an unlikely "Mad Max" scenario, Suburban or even Urban prepping seems practical and wise.

More and more, I tend to agree.
....with the greatest concern being an outbreak of an infectious disease.

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Originally Posted by Caligula (Post 1242861)

More and more, I tend to agree.
....with the greatest concern being an outbreak of an infectious disease.

This is where I come down. I think as bad as the economy and finances are, TPTB will string that along for some time, maybe our lifetimes. I think a more likely scenario (JMHO) is a localized terrorist activity or a natural (or not) or a breakout (natural or not) of disease.

Here's the big problem: If a disease / anthrax type scenario breaks out, you will likely be at work. I'm gone 8 to 10 hours a day, throw in out to lunch or meetings and I can't tell you where I'll be at any given moment. During the night, yes, I'm at at home & could use any preps I might have.

So, my biggest thoughts about the difficulty in preparing is the difficulty in knowing where not only you will be, but where your family members will be at the time of the event. A guy 2 cubes over from me has a 4 man 'system' worked out. They each live at a different compass point and have a predecided plan depending on where the event is, on who goes and gets who and where they meet. Sounds good, but still has holes.

This is all very stressful and it's just hard to figure out what it will be. If someone said: It will be X disaster at X time, you could prep perfectly. Otherwise, it will all be hit & miss and I think mobility will be more important than 'hunker down' and I am going for the "I'm just an innocent guy" look. I don't sport an AR15 like my "4 man team' friend all have. I've got a bolt action and could discard that and only have my pistol if it looked like it might bring trouble. To use an imaginary example from TV, I think more like the "wolverine" kids on Red Dawn than some sort of 'Waco' resistance team.

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And how are you going to flush your toilets? How will you get rid of the trash and garbage? How will you get heat into your home in the Winter or cool air in the Summer? How will you cook? How will you maintain sanitation with no running water. How will you get more food? Do you really think you will get by planting your neighbors lawn in vegetables? While you are attending to your new garden why don't you put up a big sign that tells the world you have food on hand? Hah hah! Your garden will draw the very people you don't want!

-You can flush a toilet with a bucket of rainwater.
-I can dump the trash somewhere, no biggie. If things are terrible there won't be much trash anyway.
-Wood stove for winter. Basement for summer. AC isn't necessary for survival.
-Cooking done on the wood stove in winter, wood BBQ in summer.
-Rainwater might as well be running water. I can fill the bathtub with a few buckets. More rain water will be filtered for cooking, drinking, brushing teeth, etc.
-Getting more food... I will worry about after my supplies run dry, at which point 97% of people will have starved already unless there's a source of new food, so I don't think they'll be raiding my garden. If they do, I'll just eat them.